tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post114228789547045544..comments2023-10-10T05:45:24.878-07:00Comments on The Data Port: Daschle Endorses Giffords in CD-8Art Jacobsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14354951975503040483noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143131170812768612006-03-23T09:26:00.000-07:002006-03-23T09:26:00.000-07:00CC Burro,A press release yesterday announced this ...CC Burro,<BR/><BR/>A press release yesterday announced this event:<BR/><BR/>Who: Former Sen. Gabrielle Giffords,<BR/> U.S. Rep. Joseph Crowley,D-NY<BR/> (Chief Democratic Whip)<BR/><BR/>What: Hosts a forum on the Medicare <BR/> Part D Prescription drug plan.<BR/><BR/>Where: Lodge on The Desert, Catalina <BR/> Room, 306 N. Alvernon Way<BR/> <BR/>When: Saturday, March 25, starting<BR/> at 11 a.m<BR/><BR/>This would be an opportunity to ask her questions directly.Art Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14354951975503040483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143091974636209552006-03-22T22:32:00.000-07:002006-03-22T22:32:00.000-07:00Just management.Just management.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143087568901772442006-03-22T21:19:00.000-07:002006-03-22T21:19:00.000-07:00Art-If Gabby endorses single payer health insuranc...Art-<BR/><BR/>If Gabby endorses single payer health insurance and the insurance industry goes down on her like a duck on a junebug.... well, it could be a hybrid , could be a snack, could be a reason to vote for Gabby.<BR/><BR/>If she's really pro-small-business, instead of merely pro-business democrat she will feel the pain that makes us so cruel as a free market society. I know a county employee who had cancer, ran out of HMO charity and was forced to be for donations to continue therapy. County will go unnamed. People without insurance get it worse.<BR/><BR/>Did El Campo provide health insurance for all or any of their employees?<BR/><BR/>Workers or management?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143082498691062492006-03-22T19:54:00.000-07:002006-03-22T19:54:00.000-07:00Karl Rove has never been an advocate for the poor,...Karl Rove has never been an advocate for the poor, the sick, the war victims, equal rights, freedom FROM religion, open voting, minorities, peace, education, or the commonality and universality of all humans.<BR/><BR/>I am no student of any trickster, shyster, or persons intent of deceiving or hiding the truth.<BR/><BR/>That said, where do you find Gabby's voting record?<BR/><BR/>What investments guide her?<BR/><BR/>We should be able to see where the other candidates are regarding their investments and assets too.<BR/><BR/>You have run on sentences, incomplete sentences, and lots of confusing phrases that do not inform nor defend your points.<BR/><BR/>I welcome transparency from all candidates, and I read all of their interviews.<BR/><BR/>I have actually spent more time with Gabby and her crowd than the other candidates, but that could certainly change.<BR/><BR/>I knew her before her first campaign, back in the day when she worked actively against the Open Spaces Initiative, and for providing a CAP water product that was awful for everyone.<BR/><BR/>Maybe she is wiser now.<BR/><BR/>Bring on some emotion, empathy and compassion. That would be better for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143072453519552382006-03-22T17:07:00.000-07:002006-03-22T17:07:00.000-07:00Trashing liberal voters, progressive voters and th...Trashing liberal voters, progressive voters and the 'far left' are straight 100 proof Republican talking points.<BR/><BR/>Equivocating on the morality of war crimes is bipartisan.<BR/><BR/>Doing the right thing is what we need here.<BR/><BR/>We need single payer health insurance.<BR/><BR/>We need to apologize to Iraq, not to occupy them.<BR/><BR/>We need fair trade, not free trade.<BR/><BR/>We need clean public financed elections for Congress and the President.<BR/><BR/>We need to tax the wealthy and care for the poor and the sick.<BR/><BR/>We need more peacemakers, not more breaks for businesses.<BR/><BR/>These are mostly christian talking points, but I'm okay with them, even though I'm a lefty that believes in building a better America, instead of a contrived Apocalypse. <BR/><BR/>The Democrats and the Republicans need to learn that "blessed are the peacemakers," and the poor are also children of God.<BR/><BR/>I wish the Gabby image committee would include these points on her website, and in her POV.<BR/><BR/>As if.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143071024501566712006-03-22T16:43:00.000-07:002006-03-22T16:43:00.000-07:00"First, by far left I meant progressive voters or ..."First, by far left I meant progressive voters or the most liberal members of the Democratic party...not communists...and I do not wish a new "red scare" (smile)."<BR/><BR/>It seems this site caters to 'pro-business' reactionaries, transactional democrats, professional politicians, and white folks that vote against liberty and equality.<BR/><BR/>If being far left means being a progressive voter, or a liberal voter, then I guess we are all communists now. When we vote for universal healthcare, progressive taxation, education for everyone, we are on the far left!<BR/><BR/>White folks are quite comfortable with everything associated with fascism, except the word 'fascism'.<BR/><BR/>Roger is neither progressive, liberal, nor rational. <BR/><BR/>He needs a leader to follow, and Gabby fits his needs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1143053079014402782006-03-22T11:44:00.000-07:002006-03-22T11:44:00.000-07:00Roger has all the Republican talking points denigr...Roger has all the Republican talking points denigrating liberals, progressives, and leftists.<BR/><BR/>Which one of these best describes the candidates?<BR/><BR/>Remember, conservatives have opposed abolition of slavery, separation of church and state, civil equality, human rights, universal healthcare, collective bargaining, public education, and progressive taxation. <BR/><BR/>Which candidate(s) best fit these definitions?<BR/><BR/><BR/>lib·er·al <BR/><BR/>adj.<BR/><BR/> 1.<BR/> 1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.<BR/> 2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.<BR/> 3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.<BR/> 4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.<BR/> 2.<BR/> 1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.<BR/> 2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.<BR/> 3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.<BR/> 4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.<BR/> 5.<BR/> 1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.<BR/> 2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.<BR/><BR/>pro·gres·sive <BR/>adj.<BR/><BR/> 1. Moving forward; advancing.<BR/> 2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.<BR/> 3. Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.<BR/> 4. Progressive Of or relating to a Progressive Party: the Progressive platform of 1924.<BR/> 5. Of or relating to progressive education: a progressive school.<BR/> 6. Increasing in rate as the taxable amount increases: a progressive income tax.<BR/> 7. Pathology. Tending to become more severe or wider in scope: progressive paralysis.<BR/> 8. Grammar. Designating a verb form that expresses an action or condition in progress.<BR/><BR/><BR/>n.<BR/><BR/> 1. A person who actively favors or strives for progress toward better conditions, as in society or government.<BR/> 2. Progressive A member or supporter of a Progressive Party.<BR/> 3. Grammar. A progressive verb form.<BR/><BR/>pro·gressive·ly adv.<BR/><BR/><BR/>con·ser·va·tive <BR/>adj.<BR/><BR/> 1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.<BR/> 2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.<BR/> 3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.<BR/> 4.<BR/> 1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.<BR/> 2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.<BR/> 5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.<BR/> 6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.<BR/> 7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.<BR/><BR/><BR/>n.<BR/><BR/> 1. One favoring traditional views and values.<BR/> 2. A supporter of political conservatism.<BR/> 3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.<BR/> 4. Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142969980351512672006-03-21T12:39:00.000-07:002006-03-21T12:39:00.000-07:00This is Art's pot that is being stirred, and his f...This is Art's pot that is being stirred, and his family works for Gabby on a professional level.<BR/><BR/>This site promotes Gabby and no other candidate.<BR/><BR/>Notice the groundswell of average voters coming to her aid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142959157329240132006-03-21T09:39:00.000-07:002006-03-21T09:39:00.000-07:00Show me a poll that shows broad support, and I'll ...Show me a poll that shows broad support, and I'll say Gabby has broad support.<BR/><BR/>Her website gives her an upper class image of having the free time to pursue politics, rather than a career, hence the 'professional politician' moniker.<BR/><BR/>I've made money supporting many 'pro-business democrats' and they were all disappointing, whether in victory or defeat.<BR/><BR/>Try calling Raul Grijalva a 'pro-business democrat' and make me laugh. Raul is very good with business men and women, but he is not running from his roots.<BR/><BR/>Gabby has no roots dealing with either tragedy, poverty, or defeat.<BR/><BR/>Hubris? Catharthis?<BR/><BR/>She insists on blurring clear positions, much like her seat belt law that would have given more probable cause to police, allowing them to intrusively pull over anyone deemed not wearing a seat belt.<BR/><BR/>She called it a safety issue. It was a way of criminalizing seat belt scofflaws, and giving cops more power.<BR/><BR/>This is one of her showcase issues.<BR/><BR/>This is her liberal side.<BR/><BR/>I wish universal healthcare for EVERYONE was.<BR/><BR/>I know people who have been dropped from her rolodex when they were no longer useful. Many of these folks have gone to the other candidates and they tend to be lower on the income food chain than her golden list of social contacts.<BR/><BR/>I wish this was not true, and that she made friends faster than enemies. We shall know the truth, when we see some decent polls of the district.<BR/><BR/>Where do you find a complete voting record for Gabby?<BR/><BR/>Not on her website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142902776676750622006-03-20T17:59:00.000-07:002006-03-20T17:59:00.000-07:00Well said, Roger. But it is later than you think.Well said, Roger. But it is later than you think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142901989161554302006-03-20T17:46:00.000-07:002006-03-20T17:46:00.000-07:00I'm less 'worried' about outsiders winning than in...I'm less 'worried' about outsiders winning than insiders losing.<BR/><BR/>Gabby is a very smart lady with a dumbed down message that hasn't gotten her traction, but lots of heat.<BR/><BR/>The impression I'm making is that Gabby better improve, or she will definitely lose to an outsider with a clearer message to the voters, not the donors.<BR/><BR/>Read her website, and then try to find her voting record.<BR/><BR/>Gabby and I would still be buddies if she was a little smarter about where she is coming from and where she is going.<BR/><BR/>Bobbie Kennedy was the meanest son of a bitch in the political world... until his brother got assassinated. This impacted him, and he became a warrior for the people rather than merely the upper class. You can be rich and put people before profits, but you end up less wealthy and more humane. <BR/><BR/>Since Gabby is running to the right of everyone but Randy Graf, she hopes to appeal to independents and the republicans. She is misreading the demographics and CD8.<BR/><BR/>She has defined herself as a 'pro-business democrat', which is an awful way of saying you're pro business, and thats the most important aspect of her image.<BR/><BR/>If this is to reassure everyone that she's not a republican proxy sucking the dollars into an ambivalent image that few CD8 people off the Internet can even relate to... then I'm not onboard for her yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142878689565096992006-03-20T11:18:00.000-07:002006-03-20T11:18:00.000-07:00Gabby is a small 'pro-business democrat' then. Non...Gabby is a small 'pro-business democrat' then. None of her FEC donors look small, but they are all 'pro-business' at the expense of the voters. <BR/><BR/>Not even CD8 republicans are 'pro-business' conservatives. They are more like 'not in my backyard' conservatives, and they dislike losing sovereignty to global corporatism.<BR/><BR/>Will she support small businesses over the environment, healthcare, and clean elections?<BR/><BR/>Probably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142875899231211622006-03-20T10:31:00.000-07:002006-03-20T10:31:00.000-07:00Pro business? You bet! Not pro international mega-...Pro business? You bet! Not pro international mega-corps, not in favor of corporate domination of the Congress.<BR/><BR/>She is, understandably, pro small business, the kind of family operations that provide most of the jobs in Tucson.<BR/><BR/>If Latas and Weiss want to run against those, they can kiss the general goodbye.<BR/><BR/>Get a grip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142870869069099362006-03-20T09:07:00.000-07:002006-03-20T09:07:00.000-07:00Not one candidate running is anti-business, or ant...Not one candidate running is anti-business, or anti-party. Read their issues.<BR/><BR/>Only Gabby is self labeled as 'pro-business democrat.'<BR/><BR/>Gabby calls herself a centrist or moderate, and she runs from the liberal or progressive orientation that most of the base votes for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142814343289791802006-03-19T17:25:00.000-07:002006-03-19T17:25:00.000-07:00Looks like only lazy reporters and political hacks...Looks like only lazy reporters and political hacks read these blogs and comments.<BR/><BR/>Nothing new here. Best move on.<BR/><BR/>When Gabby brings out her polls showing her popularity, then we'll see how competitive this race really is.<BR/><BR/>Raul Grijalva calls her capable and familiar. Can that be translated into a message that better defines her? This pro-business democrat image is poisonous because businesses seem to have enough pros representing them in Congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142572838795228742006-03-16T22:20:00.000-07:002006-03-16T22:20:00.000-07:00Too bad Daschle is a has been and lost in 2004 to ...Too bad Daschle is a has been and lost in 2004 to a small time candidate. You would think being Senate Minority Leader, you would be able to retain your seat. He couldnt even win his own race, how does he or Gabby think his endorsement will mean anything in Southern Arizona?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142557009274060052006-03-16T17:56:00.000-07:002006-03-16T17:56:00.000-07:00The last comment sounds like it is from a candidat...The last comment sounds like it is from a candidate or campaign worker that can't get any support or contributions. Maybe the writing is on the wall. Time to call it quits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142542786663096202006-03-16T13:59:00.000-07:002006-03-16T13:59:00.000-07:00This is the real endorsement list:http://tinyurl.c...This is the real endorsement list:<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/mrz2j<BR/><BR/>We need public campaign contributions, rather than money magnet campaigns.<BR/><BR/>It would be great to see what investments Gabby has, as she is well informed and capable. No better place for insider trading than in Congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142541023338403742006-03-16T13:30:00.000-07:002006-03-16T13:30:00.000-07:00Dear AnonymouseThe "long list of actual local supp...Dear Anonymouse<BR/><BR/>The "long list of actual local supporters" is available on the Giffords for Congress website: http://www.giffordsforcongress.com/<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, please continue burying your critiques down here at the end of this long line of comments. Wouldn't want you to waste your time actually working effectively for someone.<BR/><BR/>'gards,<BR/>ArtArt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14354951975503040483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142540584075021712006-03-16T13:23:00.000-07:002006-03-16T13:23:00.000-07:00It seems that Gabby is bringing in a lot of favors...It seems that Gabby is bringing in a lot of favors to get some much needed name recognition.<BR/><BR/>She's a great player among the corporate class, but she is unknown outside of two party system.<BR/><BR/>She needs to get her image together, sooner rather than later.<BR/><BR/>She comes off as an elitist, in her words 'pro-business democrat.'<BR/><BR/>I don't see anyone on her endorsement list who is on Medicare or depends on Social Security.<BR/><BR/>I doubt that people on Medicare or Social Security know Gabby or even care about her campaign. These are the flyover people of CD8.<BR/><BR/>She is over their heads, and her message will resonate with donors long before it filters to the low income voters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142533832111818542006-03-16T11:30:00.000-07:002006-03-16T11:30:00.000-07:00Where are the actual people of congressional distr...Where are the actual people of congressional district 8 who are endorsing Gabby?<BR/><BR/>I see some folks, but mostly big money donors and political dynasty names from the upper class bipartisans that take no chances and support both (wealthy) sides.<BR/><BR/>Tom Daschle's endorsement, and Robert Reich's trip come straight from a DLC rolodex. Lots of image and stardust, but little to comfort the little people of CD8.<BR/><BR/>Better than her flightsuit picture though!<BR/><BR/>Where were Tom Daschle and Robert Reich when it came to stopping NAFTA and the WTO. <BR/><BR/>Gabby was on board for business. Were they? You bet! And so was the DLC!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142464008885845022006-03-15T16:06:00.000-07:002006-03-15T16:06:00.000-07:00Sounds like the only attacks are on you, Kralmajal...Sounds like the only attacks are on you, Kralmajales. I think they are warranted. You seem to have wool over your eyes. <BR/><BR/>I don't think there is much desperation, but I do sense some concern that your candidate isn't standing up has tall in this field of competition. Money isn't everything, so don't give me that BS about who has the most. Remember, once the word goes out about this race, and it will, the real investigators will dig deep to see who is winnable, who is "Rove proof"? With the Union deal and Basha, Carl has a lot to work with considering what Dems think is a strong message about corrupt repugs, career politicians and swaying to money. Unfortunately, Gabby is reeking right now in her roll in doe. No attack here, just pointing out what the repugs see.<BR/><BR/>I know a few party hardy repugs. They want Gabby to win right now. They have a lot to work with. They feel Latas would be tough to beat, tougher than Patty, too.<BR/><BR/>Rove also has already said he is going after weak national security back ground. Gabby has changed her opinion on Iraq between Patagonia and the Tucson DFA forums. It's on tape. She will be painted now as "cut and run" and not standing up to the enemy. Not an attack, fact of what is coming down.<BR/><BR/>We need to really consider those skeletons in the closet. There are many other things that I can think of here. Repug turn Dem, pro-business (code for tax cuts and supporting elite). I’m not convinced Gabby will win, quite the opposite. We don’t need Graf and a Giffords/Graf race isn’t very reassuring. I would be much more comfortable with a Latas/Graf race. <BR/><BR/>I think you should quit smoking your “Elected Office Experience” crack pipe. Side by side, most of the candidates have life experiences that amount much more than just office holding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142434799098185002006-03-15T07:59:00.000-07:002006-03-15T07:59:00.000-07:00Comments on "Anonymous""Too bad for the rest of us...Comments on "Anonymous"<BR/><BR/>"Too bad for the rest of us citizens in CD8. I'd like to have the out-of-towners stay home and let us decide this race."<BR/><BR/>But local voters <I>will</I>decide the race. I don't think Weiss and Latas supporters will refuse endorsements...assuming they get them. <BR/><BR/>"They must think that the competition is pretty tough and need to clear the field early. It is disappointing to me, just an ordinary voter, that our voice has been squashed."<BR/><BR/>How has it quashed your voice? You still plan to vote, don't you? And even though I have asked folks who comment on this blog to identify themselves I haven't blocked anonymous posters. You have a voice on The Data Point.Art Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14354951975503040483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142405290240864252006-03-14T23:48:00.000-07:002006-03-14T23:48:00.000-07:00cc burro and az blue, are you going to the house p...cc burro and az blue, are you going to the house party for jeff coming up? I heard about a couple but I would love to know where they all are. I try to see him as much as possible. Hopefully Salette will start posting them on the site or emailing us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16095608.post-1142404974799495222006-03-14T23:42:00.000-07:002006-03-14T23:42:00.000-07:00Roger, your last post was really condescending. B...Roger, your last post was really condescending. Blue in AZ and others do get it. I think you are disillusioned with Giffords and need to actually listen to what comes out of her mouth and not what you want it to be. This isn’t rumor or innuendo or some far out guessing game. A friend of mine has more than one of her quotes on tape. She is running as a centrist and she legislated like one too. Did it ever occur to you that some of us ‘get it’ more than you do? How many times have Democrats won the CD8 race or any others? Yeah, I thought so. <BR/><BR/>Gabby didn't have any experience when she ran for the House either. Weiss has a great deal of community volunteer and leadership experience...a true public servant. Gabby didn't before she got into politics. Gabby lead a pretty pampered life and got where she is through networking and connections, not hard work. Her campaign is the same thing. Latas is working his butt off. I do think she has done a relatively good job in the Senate, but don't talk about earning it because she certainly didn't. <BR/><BR/>Google her history going back at least 10 years if you want to play that game. Weiss is poised in front of the cameras, can talk about complex issues and provide tangible solutions. Jeff has military experience and more importantly, he really gets it. He keeps getting better and better. I wish I had been to whatever DGT is because I would have loved to see Jeff again. I really like his wife too. She is a smart cookie.<BR/><BR/>As far as earning it, let's be real. Gabby worked a summer at Price Waterhouse. She had no other work experience. Tell me of any other woman who could become CEO after 4 months of changing tires and sales unless it was by their own father. She didn't exactly earn her spot in politics when she started out so it is a double standard to apply that to Weiss or Latas.<BR/><BR/>I don't dislike Giffords, I don’t love her either. I just think Latas or Weiss would do much better in the general than Giffords. I can't say enough good things about Latas and Weiss is getting stronger and stronger for being the new kid on the block. She isn't afraid to take risks, much like Latas. I wish this were like the presidency and have a Latas-Weiss or Weiss-Latas ticket. Too bad I can only choose one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com